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Pearls On, Gloves Off

Pearls On, Gloves Off

Pearls on Gloves Off isn’t your typical legal podcast—and that’s exactly the point. This is where legal innovation gets real. We dive into what’s broken, what’s changing, and what it will take to reinvent how legal services are delivered from technology to talent to new business models. You’ll hear unfiltered conversations with the visionaries, challengers, and quiet disruptors who are shaping what’s next. If you’re tired of how things have always been done and ready to explore how they should be, you’re in the right place. Welcome to the conversation.

Recent Episodes

#94 - Who Needs Associates? Pierson Ferdinand’s Partner Only Model
May 12, 2026

#94 - Who Needs Associates? Pierson Ferdinand’s Partner Only Model

In today's episode, Mary sits down with Michael Pierson and Joel Ferdinand, Co-Chairmen of Pierson Ferdinand, and Christina Wojcik, their Chief Innovation Officer. Together, they break down what it actually takes to build the...
#93 - Harvey CEO: Individual Productivity Is a Trap
April 28, 2026

#93 - Harvey CEO: Individual Productivity Is a Trap

In today's episode, Mary sits down with Winston Weinberg, CEO and Co-Founder of Harvey.ai, to talk about what it actually takes to transform legal - and why buying AI tools without rethinking how your entire organization oper...
#92 - “AI is our Kodak Moment”
April 14, 2026

#92 - “AI is our Kodak Moment”

In today’s episode, Mary sits down with Virginia Briggs, CEO and Managing Partner of MinterEllison, to talk about what real AI transformation actually looks like inside a law firm. This episode is presented by Workday. ~~~ Th...
#91 - CEO: 70% of Legal Tech Gone by 2027
March 31, 2026

#91 - CEO: 70% of Legal Tech Gone by 2027

This episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off is powered by Workday. Learn more at . When Ross McNairn realized his legal career meant reviewing 15,000 documents by hand, he didn’t just question the system - he rewrote it. Literally. In this episode, Mary...
#90 - Clients "Do Their Own Research." That's A Problem for Law Firms
March 17, 2026

#90 - Clients "Do Their Own Research." That's A Problem for Law Firms

This episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off is powered by Workday. Learn more at workday.com. In this episode, Mary sits down with Claire Hart, Chief Operating Officer, Chief Legal Officer, and Board Member at Groq, to talk about w...
#89 - AT&T's New In House Law Firm
March 3, 2026

#89 - AT&T's New In House Law Firm

In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off , Mary sits down with Bill Ryan, Senior Vice President and Chief Compliance Officer at AT&T, and Ava Guo, Assistant Vice President and Senior Legal Counsel, to talk about leading throu...